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Mikhail_BratsevДата: Четверг, 07.11.2013, 15:30 | Сообщение # 3046
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Вчера вечером в Перовском парке я пообщался с интересным человеком из наших мест. Он 1948 года рождения и рассказал кое-что интересное. Постараюсь пересказать историю взрыва собора на месте кинотеатра "Владивосток".

- Они как сделали? Организовали народные гуляния, а сами взорвали. А взрывная волна сильная была: вокруг в домах все стёкла вылетели. Народ вечером вернулся, видит: все дома без окон! И в отделение 82-е, с заявлениями о массовых кражах! Вот так было! И могилы ещё помню: стоял такой камень гранитный про купца какого-то, который на церковь пожертвовал...

Ещё мы разговаривали о Перове поле, и он вот чего сказал.

- Оно до Шоссе Энтузиастов почти тянулось. Точнее, до 1-й Владимирской, до Дома пионеров нынешнего. А до него там были теплицы - редиску там выращивали, другие овощи... А до теплиц свалка там была - мусор свозили. А ещё до свалки - кладбище. Как под фундамент Дома пионеров копать стали - так кости человеческие попались. Не знаю, расстрелянных свозили или ещё какие...

Мы с ним проговорили минут двадцать, а потом мне пришлось уходить, хотя ему ещё явно хотелось поговорить. Он сказал, что часто по утрам гуляет в парке и даже убирает опавшие листья. Отличительный признак - у него очень сильно дрожат руки, прямо ходуном ходят.
 
Micle13Дата: Пятница, 08.11.2013, 00:17 | Сообщение # 3047
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- Они как сделали? Организовали народные гуляния, а сами взорвали. А взрывная волна сильная была: вокруг в домах все стёкла вылетели. Народ вечером вернулся, видит: все дома без окон!


Ответственно заявляю, что никаких гуляний не было. То, что церковь будут взрывать, все знали заранее. Накануне, в течение нескольких дней, в стенах церкви взрывники бурили шурфы. В день взрыва, а это был рабочий день, солнечный осенний день, я был в школе, территория была оцеплена, в шурфы заложили взрывчатку и в полдень подорвали. Очень грамотно, точечно. Стекла ниоткуда не вылетали. Стены церкви разлетелись на большие куски. Их грузили на самосвалы по одному или несколько кусков и отвозили в Перовский парк. В парке был маленький пруд, его и засыпали останками церкви. Потом на этом месте построили танцплощадку. Сейчас она закрыта, но стены церкви там лежат. Навечно.
Разумеется, никаких краж не было. Зевак при взрыве было полно. Стояли за оцеплением, затем, когда начала работать техника, людей было много, пришли с разных мест поглазеть, ну какой жулик осмелился бы лезть в, якобы, разбитое окно при большом стечении народа?
По поводу парников. В 60-е они еще работали, овощи выращивали как в открытом грунте, так и под стеклом. Эти парники хорошо видны на фотографиях, снятых немецкими летчиками в 1941 году при налетах на Москву. Здесь, на форуме, их выкладывали. Про свалку первый раз слышу, кладбища на этом месте не было никогда.


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Mikhail_BratsevДата: Пятница, 08.11.2013, 02:54 | Сообщение # 3048
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Да, разночтения большие...
Ну, значит, уже фольклёр местный образовался. Или какие-то нарушения памяти, когда провалы заполняются ложными воспоминаниями... Впрочем, если не считать дрожащих рук, говорил он вполне здраво.
 
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GalaДата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 01:39 | Сообщение # 3050
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Кто  поможет  найти  нашу замечательную  карту  1952  года.  По  прежнему  адресу  её  нет.  Или  лучше.  Поместите  её  на  сайте  vaostory    в  разделе  "карты"
 
гогольДата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 10:38 | Сообщение # 3051
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antiquaryДата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 14:49 | Сообщение # 3052
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Mikhail_BratsevДата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 16:43 | Сообщение # 3053
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О, спасибо, действительно интересно!
Лично меня заинтересовала больше всего телевизионная программа: какие передачи из перечисленных пользовались наибольшей популярностью?

И раз уж разговор пошёл о телевидении, то у меня ещё образовались вопросы.
1. В 1959 году в Перово уже были коллективные антенны со множеством потребителей, или каждый лез на крышу и ставил свою?
2. Вообще, проблемы с приёмом телевидения тут были (рельеф местности, здания, помехи от всяких специальных НИИ)?
3. Сохранялась ли в 1959 году практика коллективного просмотра телевизора всем подъездом? И насколько распространены в перово-новогиреевских массах населения были в это время телевизоры?
 
Micle13Дата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 19:21 | Сообщение # 3054
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И раз уж разговор пошёл о телевидении, то у меня ещё образовались вопросы.  1. В 1959 году в Перово уже были коллективные антенны со множеством потребителей, или каждый лез на крышу и ставил свою?  2. Вообще, проблемы с приёмом телевидения тут были (рельеф местности, здания, помехи от всяких специальных НИИ)?  3. Сохранялась ли в 1959 году практика коллективного просмотра телевизора всем подъездом? И насколько распространены в перово-новогиреевских массах населения были в это время телевизоры?

Докладываю! В те годы самой популярной передачей был "Голубой огонек" У нас во дворе каждый вечер мужики играли в домино. А по выходным- с утра. На двух столах. Единственное, что могло оторвать их от этого занятия- Огонек. Телевизоры, в основном, КВН. С линзой, в которую заливали литра 3 воды.  Реже, "Ленинград". Телевизоры были редкостью, один-два на подъезд. К середине 60-х значительно больше. Ни о каких коллективных антеннах и речи не было. У каждого своя на крыше и кабель снаружи, в окно. Кабель называли "снижением". Проблем с приемом  не было, у КВНа было всего 3 канала, на первом шла всесоюзная программа, на третьем - Московская. Переключение
программ осуществлялось металлическим рычагом на задней стенке телевизора. Коллективный просмотр был частым явлением. Помню, моя мама ходила к соседям. Помню, летом показывали оперу "Аида", мама с подругами ушла смотреть к соседям.
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Mikhail_BratsevДата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 20:22 | Сообщение # 3055
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Спасибо, Micle. Отличная у вас память.
А телевизоры они в Москве купили, или где-то тут на месте? В Перове где-нибудь до вхождения в Москву радиотоварами торговали?
 
antiquaryДата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 20:41 | Сообщение # 3056
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В линзу старались заливать дестилированную воду ( продавалась в аптеке) что бы не цвела от света
В будни кажется передачи были до 13-00 а потом с 18-00 Если не так поправьте И до 22-00?
Отец КВН покупал в городе( так между собой называли Москву)
Если у кого был приемник с КВ надо было регистрировать в милиции также и пишущую машинку На велосипедах ( взрослых )был номер как на машину Какой точно не помню Помню только желтый цвет ( московская об-сть )


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Micle13Дата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 21:51 | Сообщение # 3058
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На велосипедах ( взрослых )был номер как на машину Какой точно не помню


В Москве черный размером чуть больше пачки сигарет. Крепили под седлом. жестянка, почти у всех изогнутый и мятый. Но, где-то, в конце 50-х их отменили.
Мечта взрослого- велосипед "Прогресс". У подростков- "Орленок".


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гогольДата: Среда, 13.11.2013, 22:39 | Сообщение # 3059
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А потом  " Украина "- На новые стоил 54 руб


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Micle13Дата: Четверг, 14.11.2013, 08:48 | Сообщение # 3060
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А телевизоры они в Москве купили, или где-то тут на месте? В Перове где-нибудь до вхождения в Москву радиотоварами торговали?


В те годы (начало 60-х) телевизор можно было купить на пересечении Зеленого и 1-й Владимирской. Этот дом и сейчас там стоит, сейчас там хозяйственные магазинчики. На Сортировочной тоже был радиомагазин.

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Не такая и хорошая память. Голубой Огонек впервые вышел в апреле 1962 года. Назывался тогда 'Телевиз ионное кафе'.

 
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